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#2875 - 02/16/12 12:19 PM Porsche
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PORSCHE 911 Models

Porsche 911 (2.0L)
Porsche 911R spec (2.0L)
Porsche 911 (2.2, 2.4L)
Porsche 911ST spec (2.3, 2.4, 2.5L)
Porsche 911S (2.7L)
Porsche 911RS spec (2.7L)
Porsche 911SC (3.0. 3.2L)
Porsche 911RSR (2.8, 3.0L)

PROVISIONAL until February 1, 2013.


Attachments
Porsche 911 (2.0)-VRR 2013.pdf (355 downloads)
Porsche 911R (2.0)-2-VRR 2013.pdf (388 downloads)
Porsche 911 (2.2,2.4)-VRR 2013.pdf (492 downloads)
Porsche 911ST (2.3,2.4,2.5)-VRR 2013.pdf (593 downloads)
Porsche 911S (2.7)-VRR 2013.pdf (359 downloads)
Porsche 911RS (2.7)-VRR 2013.pdf (339 downloads)
Porsche 911, 911SC (3.0,3.2)-VRR 2013.pdf (435 downloads)
Porsche 911RSR~IROC (2.8,3.0)-GTO-VRR 2013.pdf (409 downloads)

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#5200 - 12/29/12 04:09 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
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PORSCHE 356 Models

Porsche 356 ~ 1300
Porsche 356 ~ 1500, 1600
Porsche 356 ~ Carrera

PROVISIONAL until February 1, 2013.


Attachments
Porsche 356~1300-VRR 2013.pdf (303 downloads)
Porsche 356~1500, 1600-VRR 2013.pdf (1506 downloads)
Porsche 356~Carrera-VRR 2013.pdf (374 downloads)

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#5201 - 12/29/12 04:15 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
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PORSCHE 914 Models

Porsche 914, 914S
Porsche 914/6 (2.0L)
Porsche 914/6 GT (2.0L)
Porsche 914/6 (2.4L)

PROVISIONAL until February 1, 2013.


Attachments
Porsche 914-VRR 2013.pdf (354 downloads)
Porsche 914-6 (2.0L) -VRR 2013.pdf (367 downloads)
Porsche 914-6 GT (2.0L) -VRR 2013.pdf (500 downloads)
Porsche 914-6 (2.4L) -VRR 2013.pdf (529 downloads)

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#5202 - 12/29/12 04:23 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
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PORSCHE Other Models

Porsche Spyder 550, RSK, RS60, RS61
Porsche 904
Porsche 912
Porsche 924
Porsche 928
Porsche 930 turbo
Porsche 944, 968
Porsche 964

PROVISIONAL until February 1, 2013.

UNDER CONSTRUCTION


Attachments
Porsche 904-VRR 2013.pdf (328 downloads)
Porsche 912-VRR 2013.pdf (352 downloads)

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#5203 - 12/29/12 04:28 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
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Most Porsche Makes and Models Supplemental Regulations are now posted.

Please report any errors or questions you may have.

These will be reference items for a number of Vintage Racing organizations including the Hawk at Road America, HSR, VARA, VSCDA and others to be announced.


PROVISIONAL until February 1, 2013.
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#10922 - 07/01/15 09:28 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
(John) Cody Forbes Offline
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Posts: 157
Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: JFW


PORSCHE 914 Models

Porsche 914, 914S
Porsche 914/6 (2.0L)
Porsche 914/6 GT (2.0L)
Porsche 914/6 (2.4L)

PROVISIONAL until February 1, 2013.



How about 2.5l 914/6? I have some interesting documentation on the subject:



I don't have Uncle Bob's version of the entry list, but it's availible at the following link and includes several 914's in the 2.5l class:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/entry/Sebring-1972-03-25.html


In addition I have documentation showing my car raced in a 2.5l GT class in Europe in the early 1970's. It also raced in a 2.0l class with a 906 engine purchased from Gijs Von Lennop so either configuration would be correct for the car, but my father raced it as a 2.5l for two decades so I'd like to keep that configuration and just know where I'd end up with different organizations.


Edited by (John) Cody Forbes (07/01/15 09:29 PM)
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#10938 - 07/03/15 07:30 AM Re: Porsche [Re: (John) Cody Forbes]
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Originally Posted By: (John) Cody Forbes

How about 2.5l 914/6? I have some interesting documentation on the subject:



It is interesting to note that the Brumos cars never received SVRA Group 6 "medallions".

Pat Ryan brought me into SVRA in 1991 and one of my tasks was to administer the medallion program. This letter precedes my tenure by a few months. There were a number of other "issues" and Bob (Snodgrass) chose to leave SVRA (and that began a huge rift between SVRA and HSR) that lasted for the better part of 10 years, culminating in their "merger" in 2000!


Having said that, I still have my old medallion list and it shows the John Forbes 914/6 GT as eligible for a "Grandfather" medallion. This would have been 914.043.0870. My notes also indicate that this car was wrecked in 1992 and never received the medallion.

Does this car still exist?

Jack
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#10946 - 07/03/15 03:06 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
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That we know of the car was wrecked three times. Once in 1970 with about 450km it was rear ended by a truck in Germany which prompted its sale to Erwin Kremer and being built to a race car. The second time was April 14th (Easter) of 1974 in Lorentzweiler Belgium during a hill climb event. The third time it was crashed by Terry Cohen in the enduro of The Mitty in April of 2002 (the day after Bob Akin's crash). We have rebuilt the car with a new body and any components that weren't damaged beyond repair (suspension, engine, interior, most wiring harnesses, etc) and have been racing again with the original log book. We do still have the original body as well with the intent to repair it and reinstall it. Of course there's discussion about what defines what is the original car which is interpreted different by different people. We intend to go through the current SVRA medallion process, but want to sort out a few more things first such as getting the correct chrome trim and leather roll bar covers installed among other cosmetics.
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#10948 - 07/03/15 03:28 PM Re: Porsche [Re: (John) Cody Forbes]
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Originally Posted By: (John) Cody Forbes
That we know of the car was wrecked three times. Once in 1970 with about 450km it was rear ended by a truck in Germany which prompted its sale to Erwin Kremer and being built to a race car. The second time was April 14th (Easter) of 1974 in Lorentzweiler Belgium during a hill climb event. The third time it was crashed by Terry Cohen in the enduro of The Mitty in April of 2002 (the day after Bob Akin's crash). We have rebuilt the car with a new body and any components that weren't damaged beyond repair (suspension, engine, interior, most wiring harnesses, etc) and have been racing again with the original log book. We do still have the original body as well with the intent to repair it and reinstall it. Of course there's discussion about what defines what is the original car which is interpreted different by different people. We intend to go through the current SVRA medallion process, but want to sort out a few more things first such as getting the correct chrome trim and leather roll bar covers installed among other cosmetics.


The accepted criteria is that if you still have rights to the car and you can document the repairs, you still have the provenance that goes with it. Pat (Ryan) used to use the grandfather axe comparison.

The way the Group 6 medallion program worked was you had to prove the car had race history prior to 1973. If your car did not have the required history, and had been racing with SVRA, you had a certain deadline to apply for a "Grandfather Medallion". The car also had to be inspected for compliance to the appropriate rules. There was no deadline for application to get a "Certified Historical Medallion".

In your car's case, the grandfather application was made and it is on record. I have no indication that a CHM was ever applied for, even though you seem to indicate you have the necessary documentation. This process wasn't easy for some folks, (remember that this was before the internet). It created some hard feelings and we lost cars and drivers to HSR.

At any rate, I think I still have some of the old medallions and it looks like I could reissue one, with Tony Parella's permission. That is a totally different subject than the new SVRA medallions that are available to all cars.

The old medallions were strictly a Group 6 deal. In fact, we moved all the Group 6 Porsches to Group 8 in about 1994, I think, making it a rather moot point.

Still, that is still part of the history that cannot be unwritten.

jw

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#10952 - 07/03/15 06:43 PM Re: Porsche [Re: JFW]
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That would be really cool to see about the old style medallion! I'd certainly be interested in following up on that.

Here's a really cool bit of the cars story. Late last year I was able to locate and get in touch with the son of the original racer of this car. Even better, he is a big racing fan still even though his father had to stop racing for health reasons in the mid 1980's, and is a huge fan of us racing the car still. He's sent me tons of pictures, records, newspaper clippings, and magazine articles. Not only can I document that the car was raced prior to '72, I have all of the race results, lap times, and photos of it happening. To me the real gem here is that they are sending us a selection (our choice) of the trophies the car won in period.






Here's an album that includes some of the photos and articles:
http://blackforestracing.com/pictures/index.php/Our-Cars/57-914-6/Historical-Pre-BFR?page=2


Your point about its SVRA history is notable to me. The vast majority of the car's "real" race history were with a 2.0l 906 engine. However, I grew up with the car having, racing, and being successful with the 2.5l. It has significant meaning to me in that configuration which is another reason I've been wanting to keep it that way. I was 3 when my father bought the car (I have the bill of sale) so I can't even remember a time in my life that didn't involve this car... Fortunately I stopped leaving fluids on the floor even though the car hasn't ;-).
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