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#14375 - 01/22/18 06:49 PM New Administrator / Forum Director
JFW Online   content


Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 2135
Loc: Florida
After 7 years of trying to build a meaningful forum for folks to come, share, vent, brag, admonish, and learn about the ins and outs of Vintage Racing, I am turning the reins over.

No, sadly, I haven't been bought out by Google. In fact this is a handshake deal.

I would grade the success as a C+ perhaps. The one thing that never happened was a universal place for sharing where I saw a void. We started just when social media began to take hold and forums became rather dated.

Roughly 90% of the people who signed up for a "membership" never posted one thing. Over 50% never came back after they joined!

The core group that remains loyal amounts to about 10 people.

The new "owner" is John Zicco.




John is a VSCDA member and is their Webmaster.

I feel confident that John will take VRRF to a higher level of professionalism.

I will stay on as consultant.

One thing that is important to me is that the archives remain intact and accessible to all. There is a priceless wealth of information that needs to be preserved.

I also want to thank Ronnie Marinko (Marin); zuzulo56 and his alter ego Amelie Renoncule.

Ronnie has made 2422 posts
(dcb) is a far second with 1014!

John will be introducing himself ASAP and I hope y'all will offer your opinions on what you want to see happen going forward.

Cheers,
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#14376 - 01/22/18 07:17 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
joel hershoren Offline
Driver

Registered: 06/10/11
Posts: 257
Loc: Royal Oak Michigan
Wow, that counts as the Vintage racing news headline of the year.

Thanks for creating , care taking, and babysitting the site Jack.
Thankfully i never had to witness the need for you to heard kittens or censure folks.

All forums have suffered a bit due to social media.
I admit i frequent maybe 3 of the 15 i used to watch all of 4 years ago.

Best of luck and thanks to the new chap,

Joel

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#14377 - 01/22/18 07:55 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
Alfaromeo1 Offline
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Registered: 10/27/12
Posts: 97
Loc: IL
Thanks for your hard work and all your effort Jack.

I have enjoyed the forum it yes it would have been nice if there was more participation and sharing of ideas.

I hope the new owner can take it to a new level give us a fun place to visit, share and learn.

One tip I would like to offer the new owner is when someone like Ric has a hard on for a vintage race orgainization or anything for that matter is to let them get it off there chest one time and one time only. Nobody likes the non-stop child like pathetic rants over and over and it took away from the forum there is enough negativity in the world today, Vintage Racing is a place to get away from all that crap.

Terry


Edited by Alfaromeo1 (01/23/18 09:11 AM)
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#14378 - 01/22/18 08:07 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: Alfaromeo1]
fordboy628 Offline
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Registered: 06/30/14
Posts: 322
Loc: NE Illinois
Jack,

Thanks for all your hard work.

Yes, more participation would have been great, but, like the LSR board, just a hard core few put up the majority of the info/posts/whatever.

I hope you get some well deserved time off to relax. Life is too short.

Cheers!
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#14379 - 01/23/18 12:09 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: fordboy628]
dcb Offline
Legend

Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 1029
See ya later Jack! It has been a thankless job, but not a waste of time. There were many engaging and heated debates that certainly mirrored the vintage racing issues of the day.

I guess I see your departure as further evidence of the transition the sport/hobby is undergoing and it saddens me.

Here's to some better days for all of us.

Dave Brown

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#14380 - 01/23/18 12:31 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
rick haynes
Unregistered


Jack
I thank you also, I have enjoyed all the give and take and the opportunities to voice my opinions publicly over the years. I have no doubt each post had the desired affect it was meant to have with all the intended targets, as evidenced by Terry's post today. But unlike Terry I hope the forum remains a place where the free flow of Ideas and controversial points of views will continue to be welcomed.
Remembering that only small minds are troubled by points of views they don't like.

rick haynes


Edited by rick haynes (01/23/18 12:44 AM)

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#14381 - 01/23/18 08:59 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: dcb]
JFW Online   content


Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 2135
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: dcb
See ya later Jack! It has been a thankless job, but not a waste of time. There were many engaging and heated debates that certainly mirrored the vintage racing issues of the day.

I guess I see your departure as further evidence of the transition the sport/hobby is undergoing and it saddens me.

Here's to some better days for all of us.

Dave Brown


Thanks for the accolades from all.

However, contrary to rumors of my departure...I am not going away.

In fact, in my opinion, Vintage Racing is as healthy as ever, but in ways different than what we had 20-30 years ago. Most organizations appear to have stable financial platforms, at least from the outside looking in.

The dynamic shift to more modern cars is very predictable in hindsight. We were very naive in 1985 to think that 1972 would be an absolute timeline that would never be violated.

Being "sad" about this trend is self defeating. If you are good at what you do, you can carve a niche like Dave has.

I keep getting applications at HSR for "new" builds of older cars. I think we have a veritable smorgasbord of venues...so in that respect, it has never been better.
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#14382 - 01/23/18 09:10 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: Alfaromeo1]
JFW Online   content


Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 2135
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: Alfaromeo1
Thanks for your hard work and all your effort Jack.

I have enjoyed the forum it yes it would have been nice if there was more participation and sharing of ideas.

I hope the new owner can take it to a new level give us a fun place to visit, share and learn.

One tip I would like to offer the new owner is when someone like Ric has a hard on for a vintage race orgainization or anything for that matter is to let them get it off there chest one time and one time only. Nobody the non-stop child like pathetic rants over and over and it took away from the forum.

Terry


Thanks Terry.

One of my original concepts was to provide a place where folks could vent and call out their displeasures with the various organizations they had "issues" with.

At that time I fully expected that all the organizations had issues worthy of discussions. I had no idea that it would be so focused on primarily only one.

I wanted open, unrestricted but civil, discourse. Rick was the only one who I ever banned, but it was only after many warnings about being repetitive to the point of nauseation. He never said anything that was not on other people's minds, but he just wouldn't move on.

The truth is that whenever Rick was active, the viewership numbers went off the chart!
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#14383 - 01/23/18 12:44 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
Peter Maehling Offline
Rookie

Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 15
Loc: Brighton MI
Jack,
Thank you for your years of service to the vintage racing world, and I look forward to your next projects!
72rsr
Peter Maehling

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#14384 - 01/23/18 01:04 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
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VRR Admin

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 17
Loc: Chicago, IL
Greetings everyone, John Zicco here.

First and foremost, I just want to say that this is a great community. Thank you all for your contributions over the years. I am very much looking forward to becoming part of this community, improving things where I can and most importantly: Preserving something I am very passionate about: Vintage Racing!

Some Background:

I've spent the last 20 years focused on software and web design. I have helped build a few successful forums, most notably InsideChicago and ChicagoMusicResponse.

I currently run Top Gear Technologies in Chicago IL which is focused on providing web sites, hosting and I.T. Solutions to small businesses around the world. I am also the official webmaster of VSCDA.

As I get to know some of you, I hope to leverage your ideas on how we can improve the website and grow the community.

-jz

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#14387 - 01/23/18 10:26 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
rick haynes
Unregistered


Jack

Yes, I still sting from the humiliation of your public rebuke but it was the knowledge that right was on my side that sustained me in the dark days of my banishment.

rick haynes


Edited by rick haynes (01/23/18 10:51 PM)

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#14388 - 01/24/18 12:41 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
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Registered: 04/25/11
Posts: 2449
Loc: Hollywood
Originally Posted By: JFW

However, contrary to rumors of my departure...I am not going away.




Well saddle-pal, the trail's been long...and hard at times. Few ever really knew of all the effort that you expended in this site's creation & upkeep. NOT a meager amount.
It will be of interest to see if your future postings are, as a 'street-corner Jack', as interesting & insightful, as yours were as the major domo of VRRF. eek
Proud the consider you a friend !



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Edited by zuzulo56 (01/24/18 12:42 AM)
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#14389 - 01/24/18 01:48 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: TopGearTech]
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Registered: 04/25/11
Posts: 2449
Loc: Hollywood
Originally Posted By: TopGearTech
Greetings everyone, John Zicco here.
As I get to know some of you, I hope to leverage your ideas on how we can improve the website and grow the community.
-jz


And a Tip Of The Hat to you, Johnny Z. ... AND :


NOW...to business...i.e., a few IDEAS:
1.) Make the "SEARCH" function more intuitive. I seem to never be able to proper employ it.


2.) My pet-project, the TATRA thread (TT), ALMOST 1 Million world-wide views, took a big hit, when those extortionists at PhotoBucket did me dirty...so many of my still shots were killed. I would very much like to edit the posts affected, & replace those pics. But...BUT I say, many the those posts have 'lost' the EDIT button at the bottom ! So I am prevented.
Where oh where did it go ?






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Edited by zuzulo56 (01/24/18 01:55 AM)
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#14391 - 01/24/18 02:28 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: TopGearTech]
Amélie Renoncule Offline
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Registered: 07/05/13
Posts: 351
Loc: Saint-Denis, Paris, France
Originally Posted By: TopGearTech
Greetings everyone, John Zicco here.

First and foremost, I just want to say that this is a great community. Thank you all for your contributions over the years. I am very much looking forward to becoming part of this community, improving things where I can and most importantly: Preserving something I am very passionate about: Vintage Racing!

As I get to know some of you, I hope to leverage your ideas on how we can improve the website and grow the community.

-jz


0808 EET
Bonjour, Ravi de vous rencontrer monsieur ! <> Happy to meet you sir !






Edited by Amélie Renoncule (01/24/18 02:34 AM)
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#14392 - 01/24/18 09:01 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: zuzulo56]
JFW Online   content


Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 2135
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: zuzulo56

2.) My pet-project, the TATRA thread (TT), ALMOST 1 Million world-wide views, took a big hit, when those extortionists at PhotoBucket did me dirty...so many of my still shots were killed. I would very much like to edit the posts affected, & replace those pics. But...BUT I say, many the those posts have 'lost' the EDIT button at the bottom ! So I am prevented.
Where oh where did it go ?[/color][/size]




I have made you a moderator Ronnie...does that give you an Edit button?
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#14394 - 01/24/18 01:25 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
zuzulo56 Offline


Registered: 04/25/11
Posts: 2449
Loc: Hollywood
Originally Posted By: JFW
Originally Posted By: zuzulo56

2.) My pet-project, the TATRA thread (TT), ALMOST 1 Million world-wide views, took a big hit, when those extortionists at PhotoBucket did me dirty...so many of my still shots were killed. I would very much like to edit the posts affected, & replace those pics. But...BUT I say, many the those posts have 'lost' the EDIT button at the bottom ! So I am prevented.
Where oh where did it go ?[/color][/size]




I have made you a moderator Ronnie...does that give you an Edit button?


Nope:


NOTE:
I errored-somewhat in not pointing out that all of those posts are sans EDIT button...UNTIL you reach the 9 th. page. The entry below begins to show them again !:

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#14395 - 01/24/18 01:38 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: zuzulo56]
JFW Online   content


Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 2135
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: zuzulo56


NOTE:
I errored-somewhat in not pointing out that all of those posts are sans EDIT button...UNTIL you reach the 9 th. page. The entry below begins to show them again !:[/color][/size]



No clue.....

Perhaps John Z. can research that.
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#14400 - 01/25/18 06:37 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
hoffman900 Offline
Champion

Registered: 02/03/11
Posts: 564
Loc: New Jersey
Jack, thanks for your efforts over the years and hosting this platform.

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#14404 - 01/26/18 02:01 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
onthegrid Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 07/09/13
Posts: 52
Loc: Cnr Walk and dont Walk, So Cal
Jack:
I have enjoyed your forum from the beginning..... I call it a upscale forum because there are "down to business" folks posting....well almost all with one or two exceptions grin.

I am in touch with the Vintage Scene in the U.S. mostly in the West Coast and have been active there over almost 20 years. I have seen the rules creep which is inevitable, and I don't like it, but some one (another Clubs' official) told me one time that "just go with the flow".

I like the technical side and do all my prep myself and enjoy the pictures here of Ti, Unobtanium and high zoot motors. And where else can you get the hot setups on the latest Tatras....RIGHT HERE!!

So Jack, soldier on with the new and the best to you and the new owner...keep it up and possibly get more folks of "quality" involved and posting on all of we all do.

OTG

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#14409 - 01/26/18 01:33 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: onthegrid]
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Registered: 04/25/11
Posts: 2449
Loc: Hollywood
Originally Posted By: onthegrid
Jack,
And where else can you get the hot setups on the latest Tatras....RIGHT HERE!!

OTG


A Tip of the Hat To you Sir !...for your wonderful discernment and wit.


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Edited by zuzulo56 (01/26/18 01:34 PM)
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#14469 - 02/22/18 08:06 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
Hap Waldrop Offline
Champion

Registered: 02/03/11
Posts: 806
Loc: Greenville, SC
Jack , thank you for your hard work to get this place going and keeping it going. John, thank you for taking on this chore. My regular visited forum is the MG Experience and that place has been phenomenon to say the least, thousands of visitors each day, hundreds of post each day. I never understood what made folks gravitate to one forum vs another one, but I do think ease of use of software is one of the key things. Not many years back, British Car forum was the big dog, but I always hated the software format there, guess what, it is the same software as here smile I started going to the MG Experience and overtime I watch it become the 800 pound gorilla of the LBC forums, expanding to other makes of British cars and even non British cars, now the Triumph Experience is the #1 world wide Triumph forum like the MG Experience had became the best MG forum on the planet. So I have to think software and ease of use had something to do with that.

Since I had long been a staple of the MG Experience, somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 post on his forums over 14 years, the webmaster Skye Notte and I became friends. Skye is tech savvy guy, but not a businessman, he had lot to learn about a business, I helped him come up with different levels of paid membership, but free membership is still an option. I also educated him that Google Tags was not viable option for the cottage industry small businesses that make up our hobby, maybe it works for Progressive Insurance, or Amazon, but not so much for Acme Speed Shop smile He then added a vendor forum, that only vendors could make threads in, and to qualify was only a $98 a year platinum membership (my idea) that platinum membership also had the vendor banner on each of his post, hint hint another reason to post in the regular forum and help folks in the hobby. I noticed another trend, as business you can buy the banner ad, but if you are not active in the forum, you will not be as successful as a vendors who are active members in the forum.

I have been in this game since the get-go in the early years where I was just a racer visiting forums, I was active on the SCCA Production Car forum, as I made my hobby my business probably one of the first to market my business on that forum. In the beginning you would hear stupid terms used, like "shameless plugs", I always knew that came from mouth of employees vs an entrepreneurs. Over time most realized having active forum members who had business that supported the hobby was a good thing, (you have to teach the socialist how to think in the terms of capitalism smile ) Over time the forum members became more loyal to us vs vendors who were not active on the forums, for example my little shop has sold more Fidanza Flyhweels and APT cams than Moss Motors could ever dream about to the tune of x10+. I have almost sold more VTO wheels on the forums than VTO has sales beside me, to the tune of about 10,000 VTO wheels, I have sold 500+ APT cams, and 750+ Fidanza flywheels, and literally hundreds of thousands of engine parts to rebuild MG and Triumph engines, that sir is the power of social media, and the forums. So much so I don't waste one dime on magazine ads anymore, unless you sell universal product, the magazines cannot offer you a targeted market. My all-in advertising budget with MG Experience is about $700 a year, that would not even buy me a postage stamp size ad in the back of Classic Motorsport magazine for year, even though I am friends with CMS folks they cannot offer me the same opportunity as the forums do. So one of my tips to you is offer affordable advertising to the small businesses that support this sport. Still maintain free membership, but let lurkers lurk, but offer a paid membership, with a few perks that free members don't get, Skye's is the ability to post 10 pictures per post vs 1 picture per post, people will become paid members to help support your cost, because they feel like the forum has become necessary to their hobby. Skye has thousands of paid members. Even Moss Motors saw the benefit of the forum and became a higher level paying members, they are in for about 10K a year in advertising now on the forum, they too slowly got the importance, even tried making their own forums, like CMS, but for the most part these has been a failures for them compared to the Skye's forum.

I also have this theory, that the name of this place was a mistake, (Sorry Jack).
Think about it, having a active competition director start a forum named Vintage Racers Rules, in my opinion has created a world of lurkers, you know let others talk about rules and simply lurk and read all about it, while you maintain your anonymous status. Maybe a forum name change would help, something simple like Vintage Road Racer. Also open your doors to all, all vintage groups, all vintage race car types, all vintage racing vendors. Friendship with your competitors is key to success, only a fool in business doesn't know this. It's kinda like the Godfather saying, "keep your friends close, keep your enemies even closer" smile .

Jack did a good job to start this place, now you need to grow this place. Think big sir, separate yourself from the small webmasters to the level of entrepreneur, not only might you make a little coin, which capitalism is a damn good thing, but you can grow this place into the place where vintage racers come to be informed, and be active in your forum. We still have a bunch of old tech ignorant kogers in this sport, but when I see a 75 year old men with a smart phone, one has to realize, yes, you can teach an old dog new tricks smile

In closing thank you for taking this on, and if I can help with any free advice, please feel free to reach out to me. Good luck sir.


Edited by Hap Waldrop (02/22/18 02:05 PM)
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#14470 - 02/22/18 11:00 AM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: Hap Waldrop]
Alfaromeo1 Offline
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Registered: 10/27/12
Posts: 97
Loc: IL
Agreed Hap it has potential to grow into something larger (no offense at all Jack)

btw my mom is 87 and all her friends even in their nineties have iPhones they can't live without them. I get a kick out of it when I get the panic call to come fix her phone because her email or text messed up. That is all they do all day, they are as bad as the kids.
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#14471 - 02/22/18 02:06 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: Alfaromeo1]
Hap Waldrop Offline
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Registered: 02/03/11
Posts: 806
Loc: Greenville, SC
Originally Posted By: Alfaromeo1
Agreed Hap it has potential to grow into something larger (no offense at all Jack)

btw my mom is 87 and all her friends even in their nineties have iPhones they can't live without them. I get a kick out of it when I get the panic call to come fix her phone because her email or text messed up. That is all they do all day, they are as bad as the kids.



They say in our old age we return to our childhood, nothing wrong with that, good for them.
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#14472 - 02/22/18 04:26 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: Hap Waldrop]
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Posts: 2135
Loc: Florida
I approve of all your suggestions. Let's see what happens.

Actually, when I started this I was only thinking of a place to display and debate vintage racing rules...hence the name.

Y'all took it outside that box, and that became the direction it went.

I also encouraged folks to say what they wanted without fear of sanction. I'm not ashamed to say that, even now.

I sanctioned Rick Haynes, not for what or how he made his points, but because he became a broken record once he made a point.

Cheers,
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#14474 - 02/22/18 10:59 PM Re: New Administrator / Forum Director [Re: JFW]
rick haynes
Unregistered


Jack wrote:
I sanctioned Rick Haynes, not for what or how he made his points, but because he became a broken record once he made a point.

Jack,
You have stated this before and I don't believe you any more now than I did the 1st time I read it. You banned me because my very pointed criticism of Tony's running of Svra was making you nervous about your personal standing with Tony. There was a time early on when you wanted to maintain a window of opportunity with SVRA and you felt my continued negative comments reflected badly on this web-site and by association, you.

I don't think it is necessary to provide any proof of that [is there?] other than to point out that my broken record criticisms ,which I freely admit to, of Tony and SVRA continued after I was permitted back. If anything I wrote with a much more cynical tone and as often and as repetitive as before. What changed? Certainly not me or my comments.

What changed was your personal tolerance of my attitudes about Tony and maybe to a lesser degree a realization on your part it was good for attendance.

Not as benign a reason as you infer, but instead just your personal agenda at play..

rick haynes









Edited by rick haynes (02/22/18 11:03 PM)

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